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#5108 by JohnnyComeLately Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:37 am
I got a call while on a plane to DC that my card was detected for fraud by my bank. When I called them, they had already placed a suspension on my ATM/Visa card. I went in and they printed out the last 2 months of activity and it was easy to spot.

$1 for colon clensing, $53 at the San Diego Zoo (on the day I was in the air or airport from 5am till 6pm), etc. So I fill out their paperwork and sign. I think , "OK, it's over"

A week later, today, I log in and see three more charges with yesterday as a post date. I start calling at 8pm Pacific and actually get through to 2 of the 3. Also, on my porch, I start receiving the fradulently ordered stuff (how to make money on the internet, colon pills, etc). Now I'm really concerned because it's one thing to know my ATM, and another to also know where I live. I "sorta tricked" the last guy into telling me the number they used. It was 760-643-1774.

So I do a reverse NPA NXX lookup (I used to work in telco) and it's (of course) not me, but same last name...

William Schubert
760-643-1774
2732 JACARANDA DR
Oceanside, CA 92056

according to http://www.directory-assistance.net/peoplesearch.php

Huh, local...as I live in Oceanside, CA. So now I'm really curious. I google the address and find "artists against 419 scams" listing all of his information as a known scam.

http://db.aa419.org/fakebanksview.php?key=24925

Domain Name:VMT-LIMITED.INFO
Created On:23-Jan-2008 15:22:11 UTC
Last Updated On:23-Jan-2008 15:22:12 UTC
Expiration Date:23-Jan-2009 15:22:11 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:MIT (R141-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:C120103741343876
Registrant Name:William Schubert
Registrant Organization:William Schubert
Registrant Street1:2732 Jacaranda Ct
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Oceanside
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Postal Code:92056
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.7608091156
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[email protected]
Admin ID:D12010878923748
Admin Name:William Schubert
Admin Organization:William Schubert
Admin Street1:2732 Jacaranda Ct
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Oceanside
Admin State/Province:CA
Admin Postal Code:92056
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.7608091156


So now I'm really, really curious and asking for your help. Should I call this guy? If so, what do I say? AA419 says to NOT contact since they're known criminals, but why not? What can they do besides get mad? They've already stolen from me. I'm a 220lb male with military training and firearms, so I'm not too concerned about making a petty thief angry.

How do you think they got my ATM and billing address for an account only 9 months old, 1 card in existence (never stolen), and used locally for POS sales at merchants I frequent VERY often (cafe at work, Marine Corp Depot gas station and exchange). The bank said the transactions posted as "card present" in many different cities (san diego and arizona in the same day as one example), yet when I talk to the merchant's customer service they state, "website purchase" and no security code.

I'm really concerned about the billing address being known since I've been extremely careful in the 12 years of being on the internet to keep my name NOT associated with my address. Google doesn't bring it up with any combination of my street name with my given name (surname, etc).
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#5113 by Ralph Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:13 am
Hi Johnny,

Good to have you with us, if you really must annoy the scammer it is best to do it annonymously, if you must ring and abuse him do it with your number sending turned off (presuming that service is available where you are) I am no shrimp myself but I do have small children so I dont want to take any chances unneccessarily.

Realistically, there is minimal chances of your scammer visiting you for revenge because you rang and abused him but there are some risks.

As to how the details got into his hands, I can only guess as to the circumstances here but the details are normally given away inadvertantly by you.

Have you ever given your address or phone number to somebody on the net, have you provided any credit card details, scammers will use a variety of scams on you and will gather information on you using a range of different charactors.

There is a chance that there is a keylogger on your computer and it is also possible that somebody from not on the net has compromised your details.

I will also point out that it is very common for scammers to trade and sell details about potential victims.

If you want some revenge our sister site www.419eater may be able to help you.

There are loads of scambaiters there who specialise in wasting the time and resources of scammers and they will freely share their knowledge on the subject if you have an interest.

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