ok, this isn't even a near miss, because I would never give money before I see the car, my name on the paperwork and check the car is not stolen. So it was a nice looking car but much cheaper than normal market value (30-40% of market price), then you ask the seller why and he explains he moved to a country where driving is at the other side, not easy to use the car etc etc i.e. German car for sale in UK.
1. I noticed the car disappeared (i.e. no longer available) from mobile.de almost immediately after I sent email expressing my interested via the website contact form.
2. In his first email he asked where I was (I had to be in another country, not where he operates (UK) and I was)
3. so he will try to convince you and give really stupid lines so that you can send money to yourself and receive in London (where he is) via Western Union.
4. He will then collect the money from the UK office pretending he is you and having the scanned receipt to prove he sent the money. Not sure how Western Union operates but apparently the scammers use this dodgy organisation to steal money from you.
The scammer this time was using the name: Paul Lawler and email: [email protected] , I'm sure they change names/emails quite often, and possibly what they sell but the core remains the same: you send money to yourself to the country where they are.. and they collect it on your behalf. Deal is done, nothing is sold and no products exchange hands, just your money.
So here comes the email trail, starting from the bottom and ending with me sending him back a link to another similar scam (possibly his too) already listed on this site:
> I guess another variation of this :
> viewtopic.php?f=6&t=57238
>
>> On 16/11/2012 17:24, Paul Lawler wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just like you know the car it is with me in UK,London . My contact details :
>>
>> Home address :
>> 12 Fernlea Road
>> Balham,London
>> SW12 9RT
>> Phone: 00447552338170
>> UNITED KINGDOM
>>
>> If you want to come here is my proposition:
>> You can go to a Western Union office ( you can find one in a postal
>> office ) and you must transfer 4000 EUR to your name and the money
>> destination to be UK, London or you can ask a friend to come with you
>> to Western Union Office. He will make the transfer so that he will be
>> the sender and you'll be the receiver. You will receive the money from
>> Western Union in UK,London.
>> So the address of the receiver will be UK,London(In this way i`ll be
>> sure that you`ll be in London and that you`ll buy the car).
>> After the transfer is done, make a scan copy of the receipt and send
>> it to me by email. If the money are sent and you are the receiver, in
>> Western Union, in UK, I will take a break from my work, we will
>> arrange to meet together and you will be able to see the car. You must
>> understand my point, because I want to be sure that you will come in
>> United Kingdom and we can have a real deal, not just words. When you
>> will be here in UK, you will see the car , verify the papers with the
>> Police in London and you can see that everything is OK. If you decide
>> to buy the car, we will make the sale contract and the car will be on
>> your name. After the contract is done we will go together at a Western
>> Union, you will take the money, since the money are sent to your
>> name.When you will pick up the transfer in London, you will receive
>> Pounds, so there is no problem, you can pay me in Pounds.So please
>> reply me soon, and tell me if we can make the deal!If you don't know
>> where you can find Western Union, please tell me your city name, and I
>> can find for you a location, where you can go and arrange the
>> transfer.
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>> On 16/11/2012 16:36, Buyer wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am coming to UK this Sunday anyway, perhaps we can meet?
>>> What's your UK number?
>>> Thanks
>>> Buyer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/11/2012 16:32, Paul Lawler wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> My last price is 8000 Euro.
>>>> The car have German papers with German plates numbers,and will come
>>>> with full service history ,
>>>> I am the first owner of the car and like you can see in the pictures
>>>> the car is in excellent condition, no accidents, no scratches, no
>>>> dents, no need for additional repairs,click on the link for photo and
>>>> more details about my car:
>>>>
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/1123789083 ... directlink
>>>> I just moved out from Germany to UK, London and the car is here with
>>>> me.That is the reason why i don't need the car anymore because here in
>>>> UK is very hard to drive an European car with the steering wheel on
>>>> the left side.
>>>> If you have others questions let me know,
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 16 November 2012 15:45, Buyer_Name <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am in Spain and was wondering if all details were correct as normally
>>>>> Audi
>>>>> Q5 model sells for a lot more.
>>>>> Is there some problem with the car and why do you sell?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Buyer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/11/2012 15:40, Paul Lawler wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> My name is Paul Lawler ,
>>>>>> The car is still for sale.
>>>>>> Where are you located ? Please speak English !
>>>>>> If you are interested in my car please contact me.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
1. I noticed the car disappeared (i.e. no longer available) from mobile.de almost immediately after I sent email expressing my interested via the website contact form.
2. In his first email he asked where I was (I had to be in another country, not where he operates (UK) and I was)
3. so he will try to convince you and give really stupid lines so that you can send money to yourself and receive in London (where he is) via Western Union.
4. He will then collect the money from the UK office pretending he is you and having the scanned receipt to prove he sent the money. Not sure how Western Union operates but apparently the scammers use this dodgy organisation to steal money from you.
The scammer this time was using the name: Paul Lawler and email: [email protected] , I'm sure they change names/emails quite often, and possibly what they sell but the core remains the same: you send money to yourself to the country where they are.. and they collect it on your behalf. Deal is done, nothing is sold and no products exchange hands, just your money.
So here comes the email trail, starting from the bottom and ending with me sending him back a link to another similar scam (possibly his too) already listed on this site:
> I guess another variation of this :
> viewtopic.php?f=6&t=57238
>
>> On 16/11/2012 17:24, Paul Lawler wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just like you know the car it is with me in UK,London . My contact details :
>>
>> Home address :
>> 12 Fernlea Road
>> Balham,London
>> SW12 9RT
>> Phone: 00447552338170
>> UNITED KINGDOM
>>
>> If you want to come here is my proposition:
>> You can go to a Western Union office ( you can find one in a postal
>> office ) and you must transfer 4000 EUR to your name and the money
>> destination to be UK, London or you can ask a friend to come with you
>> to Western Union Office. He will make the transfer so that he will be
>> the sender and you'll be the receiver. You will receive the money from
>> Western Union in UK,London.
>> So the address of the receiver will be UK,London(In this way i`ll be
>> sure that you`ll be in London and that you`ll buy the car).
>> After the transfer is done, make a scan copy of the receipt and send
>> it to me by email. If the money are sent and you are the receiver, in
>> Western Union, in UK, I will take a break from my work, we will
>> arrange to meet together and you will be able to see the car. You must
>> understand my point, because I want to be sure that you will come in
>> United Kingdom and we can have a real deal, not just words. When you
>> will be here in UK, you will see the car , verify the papers with the
>> Police in London and you can see that everything is OK. If you decide
>> to buy the car, we will make the sale contract and the car will be on
>> your name. After the contract is done we will go together at a Western
>> Union, you will take the money, since the money are sent to your
>> name.When you will pick up the transfer in London, you will receive
>> Pounds, so there is no problem, you can pay me in Pounds.So please
>> reply me soon, and tell me if we can make the deal!If you don't know
>> where you can find Western Union, please tell me your city name, and I
>> can find for you a location, where you can go and arrange the
>> transfer.
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>> On 16/11/2012 16:36, Buyer wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am coming to UK this Sunday anyway, perhaps we can meet?
>>> What's your UK number?
>>> Thanks
>>> Buyer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/11/2012 16:32, Paul Lawler wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> My last price is 8000 Euro.
>>>> The car have German papers with German plates numbers,and will come
>>>> with full service history ,
>>>> I am the first owner of the car and like you can see in the pictures
>>>> the car is in excellent condition, no accidents, no scratches, no
>>>> dents, no need for additional repairs,click on the link for photo and
>>>> more details about my car:
>>>>
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/1123789083 ... directlink
>>>> I just moved out from Germany to UK, London and the car is here with
>>>> me.That is the reason why i don't need the car anymore because here in
>>>> UK is very hard to drive an European car with the steering wheel on
>>>> the left side.
>>>> If you have others questions let me know,
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 16 November 2012 15:45, Buyer_Name <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am in Spain and was wondering if all details were correct as normally
>>>>> Audi
>>>>> Q5 model sells for a lot more.
>>>>> Is there some problem with the car and why do you sell?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Buyer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/11/2012 15:40, Paul Lawler wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> My name is Paul Lawler ,
>>>>>> The car is still for sale.
>>>>>> Where are you located ? Please speak English !
>>>>>> If you are interested in my car please contact me.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>