Room for Rent and other rental scams
#71314 by Con Warner Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:11 pm
From: Kevin Winterburgh <[email protected]>
To: Con Warner
Subject: Re: Anfrage zu Ihrem Objekt 62468772

Hello,

Thank you for your interest. My name is Kevin Winterburgh and from the
internet add,you could see,i have available the apartment located in: (
Leuschnerstr. 3 , 70174 , Stuttgart Mitte , Germany). It has 2 bedrooms, 1
bathrooms, 1 kitchen and 1 living room.
Before to talk about the deal I want to tell you a little bit about myself
so we can get to know each other better.My name is Kevin Winterburgh and I'm
a 58 years old graphic designer from London,United Kingdom, planning to
retire in the next 2 years.I bought this apartment for my daughter during
her studies in Germany, but now she's back home permanently,so I'm renting
the place for unlimited time.As a result of this I want to rent,for this
period,at this price and also to find the perfect person for my apartment.
I`m the owner of the apartment.
The apartment is fully furnished and renovated, as you could see from the
photos.
You can use my furniture, or you can also use your own if you prefer. If you
decide to use yours, you will have access to a large and well ventilated
cellar, where you can store my furniture.
Also, very important, the utilities (cold/hot water, electricity, wireless
broadband Internet, digital TV, 1 parking spots, dishwasher, garbage
disposal, microwave, refrigerator, washing machine, air conditioning ,etc.)
are included in the price of 300EUR per month. I have no problem if you will
keep animals. You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the
keys The only inconvenience is that my job doesn't allow me to leave London
even for one single day. But this won't affect you at all. I can make
arrangements to rent the apartment from London (on my expense of course).


Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you
soon.


Kevin Winterburgh

P.S. Please tell me if this is what are you looking for and reply my only if
you are truly interested in the apt.



This person asks for a deposit payment via Western Union or MoneyGram with a promise that he will send the keys through a courier company.

Sounds safe. It's not!

At other times, he will ask for proof that you are able to pay the deposit and rent due to a string of time wasters.
This proof is in the form of a Western Union or MoneyGram payment to a lawyer,a friend or family member.

In either case, if payment is made and you give this person the details, they will collect the money.
You will not hear from them again.

If you are reading this because you are looking for property to rent, and you are in contact with this thief you are probably searching Craigslist, Gumtree or similar listing sites. If you receive any requests from 'Landlords' asking for some kind of payment before viewing, then it will also be a scam. Please forward the mail to me at the address in my signature line and I will investigate and list them if necessary.

Hello,
Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I'm in Liverpool already.
Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay on the first month of
rent will be 300 EUR + 300 security deposit ( 600 euro ), with no extra
taxes to pay. I must have one month rent + security deposit from you. The
money, I want to recive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be
no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account. The apartment is
ready for you, you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to
check it, and see if you like it. Obviously we need a way to complete this
deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after. In order
of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast, and
in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days, if you move fast
as well. The solution is provided by a rental company called AllMac Shop
Rental LTD which is similar to FedEx or UPS, which will handle both payment
and delivery of the Keys. I have found a procedure that will allow you to
pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and
through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or
not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the
AllMac Shop Rental LTD website to see how we can complete the deal safely
and fast directly from the website of the company where the procedure is
explained:
http://www.allmac-shop-rental.com <-- fake website
Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take care
of this matter.
Thanks and have a good day

Email: [email protected]

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#78422 by RobinaHood Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:03 pm
Thanks a lot, Con Warner!

Luckily, I had recieved a warning about fraud and confidence tricksters from the German advertising site's administration and that the offer of that same user has been deactivated. I could provide you the text of the email notification of this message to your email account, if you like. Also I like to check the building and keep you informed about my findings.

best regards, R.H.

********************************

Hello,
I do understand that you are in London, which is not a problem at all, anyway, well it shouldn't be one really. Europe is so small, compared to other continents..

The point is, I guess, that it is normal to settle contracts, step by step. And this business usage is providing confidence, first of all, especially since there are arrangements to be done prior to implement the regularity of the conditions of the contract, that include of course a monthly playment for a rent. And if a contract "is" settled, it is "then" binding, according to the rules of engagement and common law practice, which includes also the foundation of a relation of trust. In Germany there is the continental civil law, that derived from the Roman Law and is called BGB (Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch), that covers issues and cases of interest of civilians under private right.

The first thing for me to do is, to check the building and to see, if in that building are appartments and maybe there is a caretaker of the building, too. The point is, that Stuttgart is very special about the housing subject and the city center is special, too. I hope, you see the point, I am trying to make. Of course I am interested and would like to see the appartment, before anything could be arranged.

Thanks for your time and friendly understanding.

Best regards,




-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:30:25 +0200
> Von: Kevin Winterburgh <[email protected]>
> An: RobinaHood
> Betreff: Re: Anfrage zu Ihrem Objekt 63234120

> Hello,
>
> Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I'm in London already.Like
> I have inform you before, the price you shall pay on the first month of
> rent will be 300 EUR + 300 security deposit ( 600 EUR ), with no extra
> taxes to pay.I must have one month rent + security deposit from you.The
> money,I want to recive it monthly to my bank account,so I hope it will be
> no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account.The apartment is
> ready for you,you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to
> check it,and see if you like it.Obviously we need a way to complete this
> deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after.In
> order
> of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast,and
> in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days,if you move fast
> as well.The solution is provided by a rental company called DeWitt Rental
> Company which is similar to FedEx or UPS,which will handle both payment
> and delivery of the Keys.I have found a procedure that will allow you to
> pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and
> through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or
> not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the
> DeWitt Rental Company website to see how we can complete the deal safely
> and fast directly from the website of the company where the procedure is
> explained:
>
> http://www.dewitt-rental.com
>
> Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take
> care
> of this matter.
>
> Thanks and have a good day,






Dear Mister Winterburgh,

Thank you very much for your letter and your introduction, as well as explaining the preconditions in your respond about the offered appartment of yours for me to rent, in Stuttgart.

I have noticed, that your add has been deactivated and received a warning from the administration side of immoscout, to not be making any payments in advance. I do hope, there are misunderstandings and your intentions are serious.

After clarification of the matter, I could provide you information on my person.

I am interested in renting the apartment and would like to ask, how I could get the opportunity to see the apartment. Do you have anyone in Stuttgart, who takes care of it and with whom I could get into contact, who could show me the apartment?

At the moment I am bound to my tenant contract of the flat, where I am living in since 10 years and would have to keep the period of canceling the current tenant contract of about 3 month, however I am sure I could talk with the owner of my current flat, in order to dismiss me out of the contract in time before that 3 month would expire, as she is interested to renovate the flat anyway.

In case I would keep the furniture and devices in the apartment, I could offer to get myself an appropriate insurance for the time of careful use of it.

I hope to be hearing of you soon again.

Yours faithfully,
RobinaHood
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:57:44 +0200
> Von: Kevin Winterburgh <[email protected]>
> An: RobinaHood
> Betreff: Re: Anfrage zu Ihrem Objekt 63234120

> Hello,
>
> Thank you for your interest. My name is Kevin Winterburgh and from the
> internet add,you could see,i have available the apartment located in: (
> Leuschnerstr. 3 , 70174 , Stuttgart Mitte , Germany). It has 2 bedrooms, 1
> bathrooms, 1 kitchen and 1 living room.
> Before to talk about the deal I want to tell you a little bit about myself
> so we can get to know each other better.My name is Kevin Winterburgh and
> I'm a 58 years old graphic designer from London,United Kingdom, planning
> to
> retire in the next 2 years.I bought this apartment for my daughter during
> her studies in Germany, but now she's back home permanently,so I'm renting
> the place for unlimited time.As a result of this I want to rent,for this
> period,at this price and also to find the perfect person for my apartment.
> I`m the owner of the apartment.
> The apartment is fully furnished and renovated, as you could see from the
> photos.
> You can use my furniture, or you can also use your own if you prefer. If
> you decide to use yours, you will have access to a large and well
> ventilated cellar, where you can store my furniture.
> Also, very important, the utilities (cold/hot water, electricity, wireless
> broadband Internet, digital TV, 1 parking spots, dishwasher, garbage
> disposal, microwave, refrigerator, washing machine, air conditioning
> ,etc.)
> are included in the price of 300EUR per month. I have no problem if you
> will keep animals. You can move in the apt in the same day when you
> receive
> the keys The only inconvenience is that my job doesn't allow me to leave
> London even for one single day. But this won't affect you at all. I can
> make arrangements to rent the apartment from London (on my expense of
> course).
>
>
> Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you
> soon.
>
>
> Kevin Winterburgh
>
>
> P.S. Please tell me if this is what are you looking for and reply my only
> if you are truly interested in the apt.

#78432 by RobinaHood Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:10 pm
round 3.. I wonder if there would be another reply from Kevin Winterburgh :wink:

Hello,

I find it a bit entertaining, as you write that point 1 states that the transaction is to be started, while in point 3 you claim an invoice to be issued. I don't want any invoices to be issued on my behalf, as this would assume already an "agreement", which cannot be called one, as a deposit is a deposit and an invoice is an invoice (and as you curiously write, that there are instructions to be followed of the invoice). There are so many contradictions, that I think, that there simply wouldn't be any agent coming over, as soon as you would have money from Western Union. I assume this website of your chosen agent to be a fake. My guarantee is zero, and your guarantee is the invoice amount as a deposit at some agent, that I don't know as a reliable source, like a bank saving account for example. I mean, I was working as a secretary on the top management level and think I know what I am talking about.

Give me a proof for your ownership of the appartment. There should be a register balance sheet issued from the register court in Stuttgart. Maybe you could find a copy and send it to me as a pdf-file.

Thanks.

Regards,


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:11:04 +0200
> Von: Kevin Winterburgh <[email protected]>
> An: RobinaHood
> Betreff: Re: Anfrage zu Ihrem Objekt 63234120

> Hello,
>
> The company what I've hired is a major real estate agency from London,
> specialized in international rentals, to represent me.
> They are called DeWitt Rental Company , and their website is:
> http://www.dewitt-rental.com
> This agency will handle the delivery of the keys, the inspection of the
> flat and also the payment .
> Here's how it works :
> 1 – To start this transaction, I need your full name, address and
> telephone
> number. I will also need to know the rental period so I can put it in the
> contract.
> 2 – I will go to the DeWitt Rental Company office to drop off the keys
> and
> documents of the house, along with the contract
> 3 – DeWitt Rental Company will check the documents to make sure I am
> the
> actual owner of the flat, then, they will send you an invoice.
> 4 – At this point you'll have to pay the money for the first month and
> the
> security deposit ( 600 Euro ) to DeWitt Rental Company , according to the
> instructions from the invoice.
> This will be a guarantee that they don't send an agent all the way to your
> country for a joke. The deposit will be just a formality, and it will not
> commit you to renting the flat.
> The money will remain in the custody of DeWitt Rental Company until you
> have checked the flat and confirmed that everything is ok.
> 5 – At this point you will have to go to a Western Union Agent Location
> and
> make a money transfer deposit on the DeWitt Rental Company agent name in
> London assigned with this transaction for the amount we agreed, the total
> amount you shall deposit is for the first month of rent and security
> deposit.
> After you pay the deposit, and send them the details, DeWitt Rental
> Company will send an agent to your country in the next 24-48 hours
> (Monday
> to Friday) to meet you and help you inspect the flat. .
> You can also decide which date and time will fit your schedule best for
> the
> inspection.
> 7 – If you will be satisfied with the flat, you will sign a copy of the
> contract and pay the first month of rent to the agent. (the following
> rents
> will be paid directly to my account)
> However, if you are not pleased with the apartment for any reason, the
> DeWitt Rental Company agent will give you the money back on the spot, and
> I will get my keys and documents back.
> I will pay for the services of the agency, so there will be no extra costs
> for you.
> Also, in case you have another apartment right now, and you cannot move
> out
> immediately, we can make the deal as I explained it now, and consider it
> only an inspection and reservation. You will move in when you are ready
> and
> pay the first rent then.
> If you want to begin, please give me the details which I requested above,
> so I can make the arrangements.
> I am waiting for your quick response, because there are several others
> interested in the apartment, and I need to know if I can count on a deal
> with you.
> Very Important: Western Union is just a method of payment , they are not
> authorized to give you any information about this transaction for your
> security.You just have to do a normal money transfer to a person (DeWitt
> Rental Company agent).Only DeWitt Rental Company has access to this
> transaction for more security.
>
> Best greetings!

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