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#1945 by sailor Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:40 pm
could this actually be real

If so do the fees for clearance look right

I don't have the money to send them but I found it interesting that someone wouls real come here if not real

I have another e-mail from 'Morgan (rtd) advising me of this


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "DIPLOMATIC COURIER DELIVERY" <[email protected]>
Subject: Our Arrival At New York Airport, I can Be Reached On 212-660-2123
To:
CC: to me also

ATTENTION:


WE, THE DIPLOMATS HAVE ARRIVED SUCCESSFULLY/ SAFELY TODAY WITH YOUR TWO CONSIGNMENT BOXES AT WATERTOWN AIRPORT NEW YORK AND NEEDED TO BE CLEARED THE CONSIGNMENT UNEXAMINED FROM THE CUSTOM HERE, BY SECURING THE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY CERTIFICATE/YELLOW TAG PAPER BEFORE WE BORDE INTO ANOTHER FLIGHT GOING TO ALABAMA FOR THE FINAL DELIVERY OF YOUR CONSIGNMENTS TO YOUR ADDRESS STATED BELOW WITHOUT ANY DELAY. PLEASE CONFIRM THE NEAREST AIRPORT IN RECEIPT OF YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS EMAIL.

NOTE THAT THE COST OF SECURING THE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY CERTIFICATE/YELLOW TAG PAPER FROM THE CUSTOM IS $2,850 ONLY. YOU WILL SEND THE MONEY THROUGH MONEY GRAM TRANSFER WITH MY NAME BELOW SO THAT WE CAN SECURE THE ABOVE STATED PAPER WORK FROM THE CUSTOM ON YOUR BEHALF.

NAME: JOSEPH EDWARD
ADDRESS: WATERTOWN, NEW YORK
MEANWHILE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SEND THE MONEY GRAM TRANSFER REFERENCE NUMBER, NAME AND THE ADDRESS OF THE SENDER VIA THIS EMAIL IMMEDIATELY YOU SEND THE MONEY WITH THE ABOVE OUTLINED INFORMATION.

AWAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE WITH THE PAYMENT INFORMATION TO ENABLE US SECURE THE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY CERTIFICATE/YELLOW TAG PAPER FROM THE CUSTOM AND THEN BE WITH YOU IMMEDIATELY AT YOUR HOUSE. PLEASE CONFIRM IF THE BELOW ADDRESS IS CORRECT. IT WAS RENDERED TO US BY GENERAL JAMES MORGAN(RTD), NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO THE PRESIDENT, FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA.



PLEASE CALL 212-660-2123 FOR ORAL DISCUSSION/ AS A MATTER OF URGENCY.

AWAIT FOR YOUR URGENT PHONE CALL.

BEST REGARDS,

JOSEPH EDWARD
SENIOR DIPLOMAT

sailor
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#1947 by Scam Patroller Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:08 pm
Hi Sailor, it's not real, it's a bog standard scam format that we see all the time, how many diplomats do you know, who use free Yahoo email addresses?

There are no diplomats going to New York, because they do not exist, the person you are talking to is sitting in an internet cafe on another continent, neither do the trunk boxes being shipped to you exist, nor the $$$ in them, this is a standard format used in almost all of these types of trunk box scams, there will be a problem at the airport, the victim will be required to pay some unforseen fees, such as import tax, duties, diplomatic tag fees etc, in this case, they are asking you to pay a fee for the diplomatic tag.

If you were to pay that fee, there would then be another problem, again requiring a fee, and another, and another, that is why this is called "advance fee fraud".

The phone number they gave you:

212-660-2123

That is a New York 212 number that the scammers have purchased from a website like this:

http://www.tollfreeforwarding.com/exter ... NY-NYC-212

Some of the text from that page:

Virtual New York City 212 Phone Numbers

Use TollFreeForwarding.com to get a New York City 212 Local Number which forwards to your phone anywhere in the world. Set your New York City 212 Local Numbers to "ring to" your hotel, office, or even your mobile phone.


The scammer can be sitting thousands of miles away, and when you call his New York number, it forward to his mobile phone, they buy local number to give victims the impression they are in a particular place, in this case, New York.

Alternatively, the scammer could have an associate based in the US, there are many West African scammers based in the US, Canada, UK, Spain, Netherlands etc.

Remember, if it seems to good to be true, then it is.

http://www.419eater.com - http://www.aa419.org

#1958 by Chris Martins Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:12 pm
Scam Patroller said it all. Especially in his signature.

I'm not familiar with every nuance of how diplomats spend their days, but I think it's safe to say that delivering trunk boxes full of money to total strangers is not typically part of thier job description. :wink:

Thanks for posting Sailor. As you say, someone may come across it here and save themselves a lot of hardship.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke

#2006 by pwwbear Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:16 pm
"diplomat," plus "consignment" plus "Money Gram" or "Western Union", equals scam.

#2008 by The Man Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:53 pm
Additionally remember that diplomats work for the government. The only thing they are going to be carrying in the diplomatic bag is government related. There is no such thing as a private diplomatic courier. If there was all the drug lords and what not would be using them rather than smuggling.

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The Man
#2105 by scam_free Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:21 pm
[quote="sailor"]could this actually be real

If so do the fees for clearance look right

I don't have the money to send them but I found it interesting that someone wouls real come here if not real

I have another e-mail from 'Morgan (rtd) advising me of this

I am coming into this rather late since I had some trouble getting into the forum of late but I have to ask the powers at be out here if this post doesnt look "strange" to any of you? What I mean is who in their right mind would even consider this as real or entertain the thought of sending money after getting this? What the op never states is why would they be targeted by so called diplomats? Do they themselves hold a goverment position and if so then why even ask if it is real since working in that type of work would teach someone this is a scam?
Sorry but as a person in the legal field I find this post very hard to digest. Please dont take what I am saying the wrong way, I am not being rude I am just stating my thoughts as to why or how someone would consider this as possibly the real thing? After all the op states "I don't have the money to send them but I found it interesting that someone wouls real come here if not real". So in saying this I took it as he would have bought into it if he had the money.
Also it may be just a typo and I am guilty of it myself but the word "wouls" strikes a warning bell to me since one of the main giveaways to a email scam is the poor spelling.
Again please do not get me wrong I am just wondering if any of you have thought along the lines I have on this post?
Thanks :?

#2106 by Pat Hamilton Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:21 pm
@ scam_free. You would be amazed how many people cling to the idea that one of these scam letters must be legitimate because it's somehow different to all the others they receive. For some it's sheer willpower - they WANT it to be real so they convince themselves it is and sometimes it takes a lot of persuasion to make them see otherwise. It's what keeps the scammers in business :cry:

#2110 by ChrisSmith Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:37 am
Hi scam_free. :wink:
I think you can lay that ghost to rest. Sailor's OK and I'm sure he won't mind a dose of healthy suspicion in his direction. :D

As for your question regarding the diplomats?
"Diplomats" pop up in this type of scam all the time. The scammer doesn't know or care wether or not his intended victim has ever come into contact with a diplomat in a professional capacity.
In fact, you can guarantee, that the vast majority of scammers wouldn't even know what a diplomat is!! They just use it because it's now an ingrained modality and they think that it gives their scam that little bit extra credibility.
#2114 by scam_free Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:02 pm
:wink:I am so glad sailor won’t be too upset. I really didn’t mean anything by it. I was a bit taken back after reading that came from him after seeing some of his other posts and I couldn’t fathom how someone such as himself could possibly question its very existence. Well now that I am deep into doing this for my powers at large, I am going to toggle over to 419 and see where the area is to sign up for a mentor. My people are so into me getting to the root of all the scams coming and going. This is so much fun scamming the scammer even though I dont believe it will make a difference. Gotta love my job! :P

#2125 by Mr. Mugu Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:23 pm
ChrisSmith wrote:"Diplomats" pop up in this type of scam all the time. The scammer doesn't know or care wether or not his intended victim has ever come into contact with a diplomat in a professional capacity.

It's actually somewhat fun to ask them to which country the person is a diplomat from. If they even bother to reply, they usually will say "he ... is a diplomat." They don't even think the scam through enough to come up with a good lie.
As others have mentioned, bringing anything other than government material through diplomatic transfer is a good way for the courier to be ejected from the host country and told never to return.

#2133 by MattNW Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:54 pm
Chris Martins wrote:I'm not familiar with every nuance of how diplomats spend their days, but I think it's safe to say that delivering trunk boxes full of money to total strangers is not typically part of thier job description. :wink:


I'm no expert either but personally I wouldn't select a "diplomat" to escort millions of dollars around the world. I'd pick a reputable security firm and have armed guards not diplomats. If someone tried to steal the boxes I'd rather they were deterred by a hail of bullets not a formal protest to the UN Security Council. :lol:

Another fun question to ask the scammers is the weight and dimensions of the box with the millions in it. One million dollars is a whole lot of money to fit into one box even if it's in $100 dollar bills.



@scam_free

I'm never surprised at the people taken in by some of these scams. They have scammed people you would never expect to fall for these things such as bankers and government officials and sometimes even lawyers.
:P

#2136 by scam_free Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:13 am
Good point. I guess money makes people greedy and the higher up on the money tree you are..the more you jump into the scam fire. :lol:

#2137 by ChrisSmith Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:54 am
@ Scam_free.

The way I look at it is to remember the words of a Nigerian EFCC police officer on a raid of a scammer's nest when accompanied by a BBC reporter -




Reporter: People don't really fall for these scams do they?

EFCC Officer (indicating arrested scammer): If they didn't, he wouldn't be here, would he?



So basically, if you receive any scam letter, you can almost guarantee that someone, somewhere has fallen for it. Otherwise, the scammer wouldn't have bothered sending it out.

#2138 by Ed Williams Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:13 pm
I think this has been done before but just to re-enforce it. A scam letter dissected.


ATTENTION:


WE, THE DIPLOMATS the scammers love these 'diplomats' HAVE ARRIVED SUCCESSFULLY/ SAFELY TODAY WITH YOUR TWO CONSIGNMENT BOXESboxes or trunks are a dead scam giveaway AT WATERTOWN AIRPORT NEW YORK AND NEEDED TO BE CLEARED THE CONSIGNMENT UNEXAMINED FROM THE CUSTOMshould be customs (plural), an official document shouldn't have mistakes like this. HERE, BY SECURING THE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY CERTIFICATE/YELLOW TAG PAPER BEFORE WE BORDEincorrect spelling INTOsurely he means onto? ANOTHER FLIGHT GOING TO ALABAMA FOR THE FINAL DELIVERY OF YOUR CONSIGNMENTS TO YOUR ADDRESS STATED BELOW WITHOUT ANY DELAY. PLEASE CONFIRM THE NEAREST AIRPORT IN RECEIPT OF YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS EMAIL.

NOTE THAT THE COST OF SECURING THE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY CERTIFICATE/YELLOW TAG PAPER FROM THE CUSTOM IS $2,850 ONLY.you can't buy a diplomatic immunity certificate, only diplomats have them YOU WILL SEND THE MONEY THROUGH MONEY GRAM like Western Union, the lads' financial transfer services of choiceTRANSFER WITH MY NAME BELOW SO THAT WE CAN SECURE THE ABOVE STATED PAPER WORK FROM THE CUSTOM ON YOUR BEHALF.

NAME: JOSEPH EDWARD
ADDRESS: WATERTOWN, NEW YORK
MEANWHILE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SEND THE MONEY GRAM TRANSFER REFERENCE NUMBER, NAME AND THE ADDRESS OF THE SENDER VIA THIS EMAIL IMMEDIATELY YOU SEND THE MONEYpoor grammar WITH THE ABOVE OUTLINED INFORMATION.

AWAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE WITH THE PAYMENT INFORMATION TO ENABLE USto SECURE THE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY CERTIFICATE/YELLOW TAG PAPER FROM THE CUSTOM AND THEN BE WITH YOU IMMEDIATELY AT YOUR HOUSE. PLEASE CONFIRM IF THE BELOW ADDRESS IS CORRECT. IT WAS RENDERED TO US BY GENERAL JAMES MORGAN(RTD), NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO THE PRESIDENT, FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA.name dropping someone famous/powerful is another scammer trick.



PLEASE CALL 212-660-2123 FOR ORAL DISCUSSIONas opposed to what other sort of phone discussion?/ AS A MATTER OF URGENCY.

AWAIT FOR YOUR URGENT PHONE CALL.it's always urgent with a scammer

BEST REGARDS,

JOSEPH EDWARD popular scammer name
SENIOR DIPLOMAT


The letter is also totally in caps lock, this alone should be enough to start ringing alarm bells.

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