Car Scam at http://mobile.de

[Ralph]

Hi Jonito, welcome to Scamwarners.

Thank you for posting the email from this scammer.

The scammer wants you to send a Western Union Payment and for you to give him the details, by doing so you will be giving him access to the money you sent.

Many people believe that when you send a Western Union payment that the money has to be picked up from the location stated on the transfer details, this is not true, the money can be picked up from anywhere and once it's received it is gone forever

[viyximas]

Hi there,

I ran into another one today (and was not fooled partly thanks to this website - many thanks):

From: [email protected]

Thank you for your interest in my car.

The car is in good condition, has no technical damage, no scratches, no hidden defects.The car have German documents (register in Germany - German TUV Validity - 1 Year),and will come with full service history.
I have worked in Germany for one year and I've purchased the car there.
My company wanted me back home, so currently I'm in England (UK).The car it's now located in England,UK
I'm trying to sell it at this price because I don `t use it anymore (the steering wheel is on left side and it' very difficult for me to drive it), it`s a pity to keep such a car and not to use it,also UK registration is too high.
I tried to sell the car in UK, but nobody want`s to buy a left side steering wheel car.

I list my car under Auto Park Germany Name so i can sell it faster.
My car is already at one shipping company from here, from UK.(I paid this company to take care about transaction).
We can have a deal if you are really interested to buy it.
The price is correct and it's not negotiable and it also includes the transport to Europe continent.
Please write me back to discuss only if you are interested because I am tired of people that ask questions and are not interested at all.Because of the very attractive price you are not the only interested for my car.


Thank You
Bennett David

[mars010]

Unbelievable!! Anthony Magnoli David Benett..... he keeps on trying!

Good to have the post here, and lets hope he'll get caught soon for these scams!

[Ralph]

Hi viyximas, welcome to Scamwarners.

Thank you for posting about your experience, well done in avoiding being scammed by doing some searching.

I am also glad that Mars got to see the good he has been able to do with his post, thank you to both of you

[mihai007]

Hello.

I just wanted to inform that I found myself in such a situation and I am going to post the content of the email just to make it easier for others to find the scam when searching online, with google or something else.
Same story.. cheap car, use western union, london:

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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:57:13 +0300
From: Nelson Bolyard <[email protected]>
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To: XXX <xxx(privacy)>
Subject: Re: 2005-[SMART SMART ROADSTER SOFTTOUCH BRABUS]-PM4 - 4500 EUR
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Hello again,

Sorry for my slow answer. I wanna be honest with you from the beginning,
I bought the car from Germany and brought to London, my residential
place.I have two cars,this car and also another family car.Few months
ago I divorced from my wife and due to the divorce(dissolution of
marriage) I kept this car and a part of the goods of the family.As I
want to tell you from the beginning I am working as a branch manager and
I am detached all most the time where the company open a new branch .I
think I will not use this car so much because I don't have enough time
and also in London or Norway where I am detached right now is very hard
to drive an European model like this,with all the controls on the left
side in a right sided country like United Kingdom.Also as a branch
manager I travel always by plane abroad and in Norway or where I am
detached I have a car from the company.I think I've told you enough
about me and I don't want to stress you anymore with my story and I will
tell you more about the car.I want to let you know the car has German
papers ( German 'Export Plates'-in German it say?Ausfuhrkennzeichen?-
for one year and also the German vehicle tax (Kraftfahrzeugsteuer) paid
for one year,TUV and COC(certificate of Conformity).With these plates
you can drive the car all over Europe,from London for example to Germany
or any country and in this mode you can return with the car in your
country and register without any problem(because the number plates are
valid for one year,until 08.2010).Comparing it with other cars, the
price is a little bit low and I am aware of it, that's why I need to
explain it to you:it has the steering wheel on the left side making
driving hard for me in UK, so I have to to sell it in another country.I
have a friend who speaks a little bit German and he helped me placing
the Internet ad on http://www.mobile.de,he told me that I will sell the car on
this web site in no time.I'm not an expert on cars but I can ensure you
that it is in perfect conditions and it never had any problems with the
engine,it has never been crashed and the maintenance was made by
authorized service, the service book confirms it.The car is cleared of
any obligations or fees and comes with all the documents you need to
register it and you will not have to pay additional taxes for this .Also
I have summer/winter tires for the car.Also On the http://www.mobile.de website
there are some mistakes regarding the address where the car can be
viewed ,it's listed in Germany because when i have posted the car on the
website I had to use a German address and this is the reason of this
mistake.I would like to make this deal in person, but it will be very
hard because I have a lot of work to do in Norway(as I told you earlier
the company I work for opens a new branch there and it seems I am the
only capable branch manager they have) Don't worry, the car remained in
London(is still in London). It is hard for me to skip work now, so I
need insurance that you will come to London,in case you decide you want
to buy the car. So if you are interested in purchasing my car, please
let me know and we will find a solution to meet in person and complete
the deal.
I wish you a nice day
Nelson Bolyard

And after this mail you get the western union instructions and, not that the email ends with a signature that has also a London street number, just to make it seem more, personal, more real:

Hello

The car is a 2005 model and the current mileage is 86.000 Km.Look how we can make this deal , because I have tried to find the best solution for the both of us. It's very hard for me to take a break from my work, but look how we can make this deal: I think that the best solution is that you will come in UK and we can make the deal face to face, in person. I think this is the best solution for the both of us. But to be sure that you are a serious person
and so I can return in UK at home for a real deal, you will have to show me that you really have the money for this car and you are a serious person, and you will come in UK to see the car, and I will
not take the break from my work for nothing. To show me that you have the money and you are coming in London even to get your money back, you will have to go with a friend at Western Union Service in your city.Your friend will send the money from his name to your name, in London,UK. This way you can be sure about your money,because only you can pick it up, in UK (and when you are there, it's simple, because you can take the money from Western Union, in UK, and pay me for the car, in person,
with cash). You must understand that I want only cash for this deal ( I don't want my bank involved in this - I have my personal reasons. ) Please understand that when you will make the transfer via western union they don't allow you to send the money from your name to your name in London,United
Kingdom (to use the same name as the sender and the receiver) because may cause some problems and maybe we will have also problems when you will be in London and we will pick up the money from their office and this is the reason that you must take a friend or relative with you and he will send the money from his name to your name in London,United Kingdom.The transfer must to be like this:

sender name : your friend's or your relative's name
sender address : address of your friend or relative
receiver name : here will be your name
receiver address : London , United Kingdom

After you have made the payment by Western Union, you will send me the scanned receipt ( paper ) they will give you. If the money are OK and you are the receiver, in Western Union, in UK, I will take a break from my work, we will arrange to meet together and you will be able to see the car and close the deal. You must
understand my point, because I want to be sure that you will come in United Kingdom and we can have a real deal, not just words. When you will be here in UK, you will see the car , verify the papers with the Police in London and you can see that everything is ok as I told you. After you see that the car is ok and you
decide to buy it, we will make the sale contract(notary contract so you can register the car in your country without any problem) and the car will be on your name. After we have made the contract, we will go together at Western Union, you will take the money, since the money are sent to your name and only you can take it and give me the money for the car in cash, like I have told you. I hope that everything is clear and you can make a trip to United Kingdom so we can have a real deal. Probably this payment method it is not very familiar to you, but I have to admit
that it is most efficient process to go through. I need to tell you something and I hope you can understand me; if you don't like the car, I will give you back the money for the plane tickets, and also I will give you back the fees that you have paid for the transfer by Western Union.Please consider that Western Union
has fees and if you are bothered by those I will support it - In fact I will countdown the price of the car with 400 Euro for the transfer fees and your flight.So please reply me soon, and tell me if we can make the deal! My experience in the sale business proved to me that quality is the key element to have a successful business. Good faith and
passion for winning has always been my top priority and my most valued business approach.If you don't know where you can find Western Union, in your city, please tell me your city name, and I can find for you a location, where you can go and arrange the payment. I hope that I have made me clear and if you have doubts please don't hesitate to ask me!
I am waiting for your fast decision so I can arrange all in time(my schedule,my flight ..)
I wish you a nice day and I hope all is ok.

Nelson Bolyard
109 Hammersmith Grove
W6 0NQ London, U.K.

Oh and do not forget that he is in a position that can not make/receive phone calls also:

Dear buyer,

I hope English is fine for you, otherwise, please let me know so I try to answer your Email in German but I will use a web translator for that.

First of all I have to appologize for not answering my Email and Mobile phone, but I am on a business trip for two weeks, with really limited chance to answer Calls and Emails.

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Thank you all who participate in this topic and help in keeping people informed about those scams.

[mihai007]

I am replying to myself because I really want to show how I actually managed to ensure this was a scam.
First this topic helped open a little my eyes, but then, I started searching on google (or yahoo, etc.) for parts of the email in quotes (just use a part of a sentence, and you will find out right away other posts on the internet forums where you can read almost a copy of what you got by email)

For example the part that I used on google was:

"it has the steering wheel on the left side making driving hard for me in UK"

Just make sure you use the " " around the text you search.

[Ralph]

Hi mihai007, welcome to Scamwarners.

Thank you for posting about this scammer, it will definately help others to avoid being scammed.

Everything you have done is exactly as we try to show people, if you have the slightest doubt do some searching and you have done well with that too.

It would seem you are well sorted out but if you have any questions please ask

[br0wny]

Hi Scamwarners team!

Yeah thats right Ralph. I get a Mail from [email protected] and I thought "hmm anything on that mail and the guy is wrong" thanks god that I know google

Thank you for your reference!

greetings from Germany

.br0wny

Removed full quote of my post, it's just up there ^^ a bit if anybody wants to read it - Ralph

[Ralph]

Hi Browny, welcome to Scamwarners.

We are very happy to have been able to help, thank for posting, if you have any questions please ask

[2good2btrue]

Hi,

This site is great. I am currently involved in an e-mail conversation with mister Anthony Magnoli. He has a wonderful Volkswagen T2 Type 1 for sale for only 3.800 Euro on http://www.pkw.de. Having a strong feeling this opportunity is to good to be true I decided to google his name. And here I am...

I have received the following e-mail:

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Hallo

Vielen Dank für Ihr Interesse an meinem Auto.
Das Auto ist in gutem Zustand, hat keinen technischen Schaden überhaupt, keine Kratzer oder Dellen, keine versteckten Mängel.
Ich habe in Deutschland für ein Jahr gearbeitet und ich kaufte das Auto aus Deutschland. Meine Familie wollte mich nach Hause, so dass
ich derzeit in Zypern bin. Ich kann mich nicht registrieren dieses Auto hier, haben wir einige Regeln hier. Es ist in Deutschland mit
allen Steuern bezahlt, ist alles OK registriert, muss ich kommen oder zu liefern, das Auto für Sie, wenn Sie sich zum Kauf zustimmen,
Natürlich werde ich das Auto liefern Ihnen auf meine Kosten. Wir können einen Deal, wenn Sie wirklich daran interessiert sind, es zu
kaufen.
Der Preis ist korrekt, und es ist nicht verhandelbar.
Ich benutze einen Online-Übersetzer, lesen und schreiben Deutsch. Wenn Sie Englisch sprechen, schreiben Sie bitte in Englisch.

Vielen Dank!


Hello

Thank you for your interest in my car.
The car is in good condition, has no technical damage at all, no scratches or dents, no hidden defects.
I have worked in Germany for one year and I bought the car from Germany . My family wanted me back home, so currently I am in Cyprus.
I cannot register this car here , we have some rules here. It is registered in Germany with all taxes paid , Everything is OK , i must
come or deliver the car to you if you agree to buy it,
Ofcourse i will deliver the car to you on my cost. We can have a deal if you are really interested to buy it.
The price is correct and it is not negotiable.
I use an online translator to read and write german. if you speak english please write in english.
Thank you
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I have replied and requested a visit to see the Volkswagen with my own eyes. My reply was this morning and only just did I Google his name. I don't expect him to reply, but what should I do when he does?

Thanks to this website I don't want to proceed with actually buying the car, but am wondering if there is anything I can do to expose this individual. And thank you soooo much for this site!!

BR /Huub

[GomerPyle]

I did a little Googling and found this link 2good2btrue

http://netscammers.blogspot.com/2010/07 ... cusor.html

You've been both smart and lucky to have avoided this scammer. He's clearly a professional scammer with a large and relatively sophisticated fraud operation.

The law enforcement agencies should take some action against him.

Tell him you've lost your job and don't have any money to pay for the car. Scammers aren't interested in people without money to pay them, and it's okay to tell a lie to a scammer.

[2good2btrue]

Thx GomerPyle. Your reply is much appreciated.

BR/ 2good2btrue

[2good2btrue]

Hi,

It seems the saga continues. Just received the message below.
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Hello


All the car documents are OK and you will have access to them when you will receive the car. All the taxes of shipping will be paid by
me so you do not have to worry about more expenses. TUV and AU are available until 01/2012.
I spoke with a friend and he found a company here who can deliver the car to you.
I will pay the transport taxes ( not expensive because they send 9-10 cars on a single truck).
I sell it because we cannot use or register these european cars here. We need UK cars with the wheel on the right side.
Here nobody want this car .
I will wait your reply.
This is my contact number: 00357xxxxxx [note 2good2btrue: I have replaced last 8 digits, not sure if I can put full number here]

Best Regards

Hallo

Alle Dokumente sind das Auto OK und Sie erhalten Zugang zu ihnen haben, wenn Sie das Auto erhalten. Sämtliche Steuern, Versand bezahlt werden durch
mich, so dass Sie keine Sorgen zu machen über mehr Ausgaben. TÜV und AU bis 01/2012 sind verfügbar.
Ich sprach mit einem Freund und er fand eine Firma, die das Auto für Sie liefern können.
Ich zahle den Verkehrssteuern (nicht teuer, weil sie 9 bis 10 Autos auf einem einzigen Lastwagen) zu senden.
Ich verkaufe es, weil wir nicht verwenden können, oder registrieren Sie diese europäischen Autos hier. Wir brauchen UK Autos mit dem Lenkrad auf der rechten Seite.
Hier will niemand dieses Auto.

Ich werde warten Ihre Antwort.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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I have answered that I believe the car documents are OK, but that I need to do a visual inspection of the car before proceeding. I expect him to put pressure on me with the 3rd e-mail by stating he has other potential buyers lining up.

Or am I being foolish to lead this individual on? I want to expose his method of operation, but am not sure if this is wise from a personal safety point of view.

BR / 2good2btrue

[Arnold]

You'll find more about scambaiting at our sister site www.419eater.com, and how to do it safely. Using your real life email address is a very bad idea.

[2good2btrue]

Hi,

when does the hurting stop.... I just received my 3rd e-mail from 'Anthony'.

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the car is in the company custody with 2 keys, manuals , service book history , winter tires , summer tires , all documents and contracts and the car is ready to be registered your name. The agents will offer you a 5 days inspection period . you can decide if you keep the car or not in this time. If by the reason you do not like the car you can refuse it and the company will send you the deposit back to your account. The payment is safe because they work with bank accounts , not other payment services and you will receive a contract for this deposit. The company website is http://five.iscolpublicidad.com/content/index-2.html. I just need your delivery address to
start the transaction and the agents will send you the invoice with the tracking number. the tracking number will help you to check the transaction status , you will check it on the company website . I am sure you will love this car because is in perfect conditions like new .

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I have replied as follows:

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I'm sorry, but this doesn't feel good at all. I have specifically requested to see the car BEFORE any purchase or transaction will take place. But you just reply with e-mails telling me how save and good everyting is. Please note I will never part with my money before I can verify the car, the buyer (you) and the legitimacy of this transaction.

If you are not capable of handing my simple request, then I'm no longer interested.
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I wont scam bait this person, but I wanted to inform all you out there how such a scam works.

Thx for all your assistance.

BR / 2good2btrue