Cheap outboard motors

[Wallrus]

Hi,

I'm looking into importing outboard motors from Asia into Australia. Partly for my own use and partly for business.

I'm corresponding with two "distributors" who are offering outboards at around 1/4 of the usual price.

One is in Malaysia (Borneo) http://www.boatbusinessltd.com
His email is: [email protected]

The other is in Shanghai: http://www.sh-outboards.com
His email is: [email protected]
Company name is Shanghai Baiwei Marine Engine Co.

I have imported boats and surfboards from China before with no problems but this just seems a little dodgy.


Both only accept Western Union transfer or bank transfer and refuse to use an escrow service.


What do you think?

[AlanJones]

One is in Malaysia (Borneo) http://www.boatbusinessltd.com
His email is: [email protected]

Registered in Nov '13, but claim to be "one of the most established and well respected boat & boat equipment sale companies in the country"

The other is in Shanghai: http://www.sh-outboards.com
His email is: [email protected]
Company name is Shanghai Baiwei Marine Engine Co.

Also registered in November '13, but claim "Copyright © 2009-2013"

Both only accept Western Union transfer or bank transfer and refuse to use an escrow service.

A sure sign they are scammers and have nothing to supply - real businesses don't use Western Union.

[Srmaskin]

Ive just been in touch with "[email protected]" they say they are in Canada, and are writing perfect english opposite to others on Alibaba.

[Bryon Williams]

Domain Name: BOATBUSINESSLTD.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS1.MAIN-HOSTING.COM
Name Server: NS2.MAIN-HOSTING.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 29-nov-2013
Creation Date: 17-nov-2013
Expiration Date: 17-nov-2014

Registrant Organization: WHOIS PRIVACY PROTECTION SERVICE, INC

Please post all the emails you have from them. This will be the only way we can look into it and kill the fake site. Also the headers of the emails. You can look at my signature to find information on how to find email header.

[Bryon Williams]

@Srmaskin

As stated previously. There are to many red flags.

Do your business locally where you can view the product. A cheap price and good internet deal will rob/steal your money.

[AlanJones]

Ive just been in touch with "[email protected]" they say they are in Canada, and are writing perfect english opposite to others on Alibaba.

What legitimate company would have a domain and then set it up so that access is forbidden from people in the US, UK and a couple of other European countries?

A legitimate company would also not register its domain using a privacy service to hide who they are.

[TerranceBoyce]

I'm sorry to have to say this but I'm constantly amazed by the number of people who are willing to do business with a company they know nothing about, and who are based in a part of the world where they'd have no means of recourse if they get swindled.

Though I am sure that there are many very reputable traders, it's quite difficult to find them through the mass of fraudulent ones that exist, and I'm not picking on the Chinese because there are plenty of fraudulent websites claiming to be located in every part of the world. I only mention China because if you're swindled you have virtually no means of recourse.

Paying cash is fatal as it suggests that the company doesn't even have a bank account which is implausible, and using a cash payment service means that you won't even know who received the money.

If you think that using card payment will protect you, I can think of no better means to phish card details than setting up a shop front website offering incredible deals. I'm shocked that this risk isn't more widely known as I have no doubt that the practice is widespread. They can sit back and wait for people to post their card details and the victims won't know until their goods don't arrive and/or unexpected charges appear on their statement.

Some shopping sites will conveniently allow goods to be delivered to an address other than that registered with the card, and I've posted in the news forum of a case in the UK where phishers ordered gold bullion but it was unexpectedly delivered to the card holder, so they visited him 'mob handed' to collect it. There are other more sophisticated ways a criminal can get over this problem, but in any event he can sell on your card details if he's lazy.

Doing business with people you don't know is a risky business and inputting your card details in to websites should only be undertaken with caution.

On a fraudulent UK website that offers cars for sale, at the stage the victim makes an enquiry about a vehicle he is required to state his date of birth, and I'm wondering if a phishing option is included beside the theft of money.

[Jon Maters]

I'm amazed at some people as well.This guy looks like going for the get rich quick idea. I bet he hasnt even checked australian trade marks for parsun if he did he'll see they are listed to an australian company. If this guys sells under this brand in australia he'll get a ACCC knocking on his door 1 day.
Only advice I give this guy. If he's ok with ripping someones built up brand off then go for it. Send this guy in china a western union transfer. You'll be ok